It would appear that Sarah Palin has driven the entire democratic Party completely insane. I mean literally coo-coo bananas. Here's the latest from some high ranking Democrats who have contracted "Palin Derangement Syndrome."
Tennessee Rep. Steve Cohen compared Palin to the guy who killed Jesus.
"If you want change, you want the Democratic Party,” Cohen said. “Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor.”
That sounds like a reasonable comparison. Barack Obama is the second coming and Sarah Palin wants to nail him to a cross.
Not to be upstaged by her fellow southern Democrat, South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler hit the nail on the head when she said that John McCain had chosen a running mate "...whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.” 
While it's unclear how many abortions Mitt Romney has had, he must have had at least one, because we all know that being the governor of a state is meaningless if you've ever terminated a pregnancy.
Here are some more dispicable quotes from members of the MSM:
Wendy Doniger, Newsweek: "Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman."
Dan Payne, Boston Globe: "She's got a Taliban-like tolerance for beliefs unlike her own."
Cintra Wilson, Salon: "...she is their hardcore pornographic centerfold spread, revealing the ugliest underside of Republican ambitions...What her Down syndrome baby and pregnant teenage daughter unequivocally prove, however, is that her most beloved child is the antiabortion platform that ensures her own political ambitions with the conservative right."
Sarah Palin has only been on the national stage for two weeks and I have never seen anyone who has been so successful in driving Democrats out of their gourds with such incredible rapidity.
The reason behind it is obvious. The Democrats had the opportunity to make a historic choice for the advancement of American women and they chose not to. Now the GOP, the party whom the Democrats have spent the last 40 years trying to brand as the 'white males only' party, is closer than ever and if elected will be responsible for breaking the glass ceiling that the Dem's thought was theirs to break.
Buyer's remorse anyone.
Thursday, September 11, 2008
Obama Surrogates Gone Mad/Pontius Palin
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The last paragraph & sentence of that post is ridiculous. Our nominee and our party didn't not pick Hil because she's a woman, we didn't pick her because she's not the right PERSON for the job.
And anyone who votes for McCain just because he has a woman on his ticket is voting for the wrong reasons.
I'm positive Obama has NO buyers remorse; BIDEN ROCKS.
Dan is correct. The Democrats are running scared.
"Biden Rocks" This isn't a concert. It is perhaps the most important election since World War II. We are fighting a war like no other with an outcome that will be the decline of Western dominance and freedom. The British and the Soviets were not able to defeat the Pushtuns and we will not defeat them unless we use all the force in our arsenal. Our leaders either don't know this because they recive bad advice or they don't want to face the whining of uneduacated people that don't know their Middle Eastern history and accept the PC position that all cultures are morally and ethnically equal.
Shannanoymous, You need to go to the public library and check out some books on the history of the Middle East and Islam. I could recommend some for you if you are at all interested in informing your views on our national issues. When you are done reading, I think you alter your views on this election.
McCain is the only candidate that will address these important issues. Obama's past shows that he is already in bed with the Palistinians. Israel is the canary in the coal mine and we will be next.
"Shannanoymous, You need to go to the public library and check out some books on the history of the Middle East and Islam."
Her lack of understanding of how the real world functions is legendary on this blog.
This election is arguably the most important election since the Reagan years. The fact that race or sex has become such a issue is horrible. The President of the United States is not an affirmative action position.
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
My "lack of understanding of how the real world functions is legendary on this blog"??? Right. Because if I disagree with you neo-cons, it must be because I don't understand the world. I understand PLENTY. What I don't understand is how you Republicans can't see why a young, lower-middle class, pro-choice woman, with a lot of gay loved ones, who cares deeply about wildlife and the environment wouldn't support a McCain/Palin ticket.
Oh and anonymous? I know this isn't a concert. "Biden rocks" is just an expression. Sorry if my young person’s lingo confused you. I know this is the most important election since WWII. Why else would I be on the internet for at least 2 hours a day trying to inform young people, especially first time voters, about getting sucked into the antiquated, hateful, GOP rhetoric? Why am I so passionate about registering new voters and getting them to register as DEMOCRATS? I’ve never been so outraged or passionate about any cause in my life. I know what’s important; I’m fighting for my life here, and the lives of my unborn children so hopefully they’ll grow up on a planet with wolves and polar bears, without dependence on oil (foreign or local), where they can read whatever books they want and where homosexual aren’t discriminated against and aren’t told to “pray out [their] gay.”
Just like anyone who votes for Obama because he is black is voting for the wrong reasons.
Eve Ensler said it better:
"I don't like raging at women. I am a Feminist and have spent my life trying to build community, help empower women and stop violence against them. It is hard to write about Sarah Palin. This is why the Sarah Palin choice was all the more insidious and cynical. The people who made this choice count on the goodness and solidarity of Feminists.
But everything Sarah Palin believes in and practices is antithetical to Feminism which for me is part of one story -- connected to saving the earth, ending racism, empowering women, giving young girls options, opening our minds, deepening tolerance, and ending violence and war.
I believe that the McCain/Palin ticket is one of the most dangerous choices of my lifetime, and should this country chose those candidates the fall-out may be so great, the destruction so vast in so many areas that America may never recover. But what is equally disturbing is the impact that duo would have on the rest of the world. Unfortunately, this is not a joke. In my lifetime I have seen the clownish, the inept, the bizarre be elected to the presidency with regularity.
Sarah Palin does not believe in evolution. I take this as a metaphor. In her world and the world of Fundamentalists nothing changes or gets better or evolves. She does not believe in global warming. The melting of the arctic, the storms that are destroying our cities, the pollution and rise of cancers, are all part of God's plan. She is fighting to take the polar bears off the endangered species list. The earth, in Palin's view, is here to be taken and plundered. The wolves and the bears are here to be shot and plundered. The oil is here to be taken and plundered. Iraq is here to be taken and plundered. As she said herself of the Iraqi war, "It was a task from God."
Sarah Palin does not believe in abortion. She does not believe women who are raped and incested and ripped open against their will should have a right to determine whether they have their rapist's baby or not.
She obviously does not believe in sex education or birth control. I imagine her daughter was practicing abstinence and we know how many babies that makes.
Sarah Palin does not much believe in thinking. From what I gather she has tried to ban books from the library, has a tendency to dispense with people who think independently. She cannot tolerate an environment of ambiguity and difference. This is a woman who could and might very well be the next president of the United States. She would govern one of the most diverse populations on the earth.
Sarah believes in God. That is of course her right, her private right. But when God and Guns come together in the public sector, when war is declared in God's name, when the rights of women are denied in his name, that is the end of separation of church and state and the undoing of everything America has ever tried to be.
This vote is a vote that will determine the future not just of the U.S., but of the planet. It will determine whether we create policies to save the earth or make it forever uninhabitable for humans. It will determine whether we move towards dialogue and diplomacy in the world or whether we escalate violence through invasion, undermining and attack. It will determine whether we go for oil, strip mining, coal burning or invest our money in alternatives that will free us from dependency and destruction. It will determine if money gets spent on education and healthcare or whether we build more and more methods of killing. It will determine whether America is a free open tolerant society or a closed place of fear, fundamentalism and aggression.
If the Polar Bears don't move you to go and do everything in your power to get Obama elected then consider the chant that filled the hall after Palin spoke at the RNC, "Drill Drill Drill." I think of teeth when I think of drills. I think of military exercises that force mindless repetition, emptying the brain of analysis, doubt, ambiguity or dissent. I think of pain.
Do we want a future of drilling? More holes in the ozone, in the floor of the sea, more holes in our thinking, in the trust between nations and peoples, more holes in the fabric of this precious thing we call life?"
Look Shannon. Being passionate is OK, but you're still getting your facts wrong.
For example, there is no evidence that Sarah Palin doesn not believe in evolution. You just made that up by piecing together a bunch of stuff you heard online.
You're running on pure emotion here not facts and common sense. I realy don't care what you say on this blog. I guess all I'm asking is, when your trying to register people, don't lie to them
From the pen of the brillant feminist Phyliss Chesler:
The decision about whom to vote for in the race for President and Vice-President is a wrenching one for many Americans. It is for me.
I agree with Joe Lieberman that this is neither an ordinary election nor an ordinary historical moment. (Yes, he also said that John McCain is no ordinary candidate.) I also agreed with Fred Thompson who said that, unlike their opposition, McCain and the Republicans believe that we live in the best country in the world, one worth defending with honor (as opposed to viewing America as the worst country in the world and making speeches abroad to please America’s enemies). In addition, I agree with Thompson that character, judgment, courage, humility, a sense of duty, wisdom and honor are traits that a war-time President requires.
The Democratic candidates talk a language with which I’m familiar, a language which opposes racism, sexism, homophobia, poverty–and yet I am stirred by the fact that John and Cindy McCain have also “walked the talk” by adopting a special needs orphan girl from Bangladesh. Although I have viewed adoption as a complex and not always as an altruistic affair, in this case, my heart was opened by the McCain family’s magnificent service to others. And, John McCain has certainly “walked the talk” of a soldier by behaving with unbelievable courage and moral strength while enduring a terrible and torture-filled captivity in Vietnam.
Thus, here are some wrenching bottom lines: Do we vote to keep abortion legal and to stop the anti-Choice conservatives from taking over the Supreme Court–or do we vote to make sure that the American military is allowed to stop the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists in their tracks? Can we really achieve both goals by voting for one candidate? If not, then what is the more pressing priority? For ourselves, for our country, for the world at this moment in history?
If American women retain the right to choose whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term–in my view, a prerequisite to female human freedom, what does this mean if the jihadists bomb the country back to the seventh century? If the jihadists triumph, American women will be forced to convert to Islam, to wear veils or burqas (body bags), and risk being stoned to death, hung, or honor murdered if they want to choose their own husbands, attend college, dress like modern American girls do, or convert to another non-Islamic religion.
Phyliss Chesler should know. She is Jew who married and Muslim and went to live in Afganistan is the 1970's. Not a lasting marriage to say the least. However, she has become somewhat of an authority on feminism and Islam.
Dan’s absolutely right that there’s no specific evidence that Mrs. Palin is a hardcore creationist. Just like there was no specific evidence that Obama agreed with Rev. Wright when he shouted “God damn America!” over and over and over on YouTube. And when he said that the government created AIDS. And so on and so forth. But – if we look at the transitive property, which tells us that – Obama = Member of Wright’s congregation. And that Members Of Wright’s Congregation = agree, without question, with everything Wright says and believes. Therefore, Obama = agrees, without question, with everything Wright says and believes.
Well, we can take the same formula and apply it to Mrs. Palin and her church. Palin = Proud Evangelical Protestant. Proud Evangelical Protestant = believe, without question, that God created the Earth 4,000 years ago in seven days and that Jesus Christ is his son born of a Virgin. Therefore Sarah Palin = believe, without question, that God created the Earth 4,000 years ago in several days and that Jesus Christ is his son born of a Virgin.
Unless she comes out and says otherwise, of course. But chances are she won’t do that. Because then she’d piss off the Evangelical base that she’s got so fired up, the same base that McCain was having a hard time reaching, the same base that Rove was smart to pander to back in 2000 and in 2004. These guys, when mobilized, are election tippers. They must be courted.
We DO have on record that Palin thinks that Creationism should be taught alongside Evolution and Natrual Selection: “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.”
Couldn’t agree more with her on this point. I mean – well, there IS one small problem with that line of thought - Religious Myth Origins are not theories. They are not information. They are only information in so much as they inform what certain members of a faith happen to believe. But they are not grounded theories based on anything other than faith.
I’ll still hang on a bit, though, and ask Mrs. Palin to take this further – Since these are public schools we’re talking about here, and not churches or Sunday School classes or anything - can we also teach the Taoist creation myth of Pangu and his cosmic egg? Can we teach the Greeks and the Romans? And can we discuss how most Buddhists believe that ruminations about the creation of the world are pointless and anti-thetical to what it means to live in the now? What about the creation myth of the Islamic faith? Or the Aztec faith that told of the Lady of the Snakes? Can we teach all of those alongside the Christian Creation Myth and Evolution so that our students can understand the fascinating and sweeping cultural correlation between faiths and the societies that foster them? Since we are talking, after all, about educating our students.
((There’s a fork in the road concerning this line of thought, both of which warrant addressing –
1. If Mrs. Palin agrees that we can teach all of these religious creation myths in our public schools, giving them equal weight and respect, and then also introduce Darwinian theory, then - great. Awesome. Education. Gotta love it. But I would like to know where she stands. I would like to know what she believes. Dan’s right that there’s no evidence. But there’s no evidence to the contrary, either. She needs to talk about her faith and how it might inform her policies, especially if – God forbid – McCain should croak while in office. Dude is kinda up there in years.
2. On this blog, I’ve sometimes failed to acknowledge that MOST of America is more or less Christian. Which often results in me getting lectured about how I’m "out of touch" or how I don’t understand and how most of America isn’t a dirty atheist liberal like me (I’m actually not an atheist, and I THINK I’m relatively moderate/apolitical, and I grew up in a small rural town surrounded by Republicans and Christians, but whatever). I know this. I've always assumed that we all know this because we're all intelligent folk. My only problem is that the "most" argument does't do much for me. Because most of America can’t find Pakistan on a map and doesn’t know the difference between Iraq and Iran (as Alan Jackson once proudly boasted that he didn’t in his 9/11 ballad “Where Were You When The World Stopped Turning?”) But either way. Just felt the need to acknowledge that.))
Moving on --
While we don't yet have concrete evidence or fact concerning what, exactly, Mrs. Palin belives, we DO know that Mrs. Palin is either flat out lying about this Bridge to Nowhere thing or she honestly believes her lie to be truth. Both scenarios are disturbing in their own ways.
Oddly, what I think has fueled so much of the lefty bloggy rumor mill on the internet is Palin’s silence. She came onto the national scene two weeks ago – two weeks! No one really knows her. And we want to. Just like we want to know all of our candidates. So until she steps up and is willing to talk to the press, until she decides to spend more podium time talking about herself and her beliefs and her policies (other than her “thanks, but no thanks” lies… she DID take that money from Congress, she just used it for different projects) and less time bashing Obama and shaking her fist, then she’s fair game as far as the rumor-mongering blogosphere is concerned.
One final thing and then I’ll shut
up (gotta get back to work) -- I usually try real hard not to get into these personal tactic conversations, but – Anonymous 1 and Dave – man, when you guys say generalized and dismissive statements like “Shannanoymous, You need to go to the public library and check out some books on the history of the Middle East and Islam"... You come off like a pack of classless dicks. Come on, dudes. Be excited that you live in a nation where we get to have these spirited debates. That being said - I’m curious – do you have any specific texts that you would recommend to Shannanoymous regarding the history of Islam and the Middle East? Maybe even one that also uses well cited research and cultural insight to explain how outright war is the only answer.
I think that you'll find that many of these Evangelicals do believe in Darwin and in evolution while still holding onto the major priciples of their faith. Just as many Catholics believe strongly in Jebus, while at the same time believing in a woman's right to choose.
I really never thought that Obama believed that the US govt. started AIDS or any of the other Rev Wright stuff. I honestly don't think many people do. It was his judgement which most of us questioned. You don't stay in a church that preaches that kind of garbage, for 20 years. Especially if you're considering a political career at some point. It's just dumb.
Finally, as for the Bridge to Nowhere,Palin did kill it, so it's not a lie to say that she opposed it, becasue at one point she did. It is a stretch and a fancy piece of political posturing, since she did support it for a long timem, but it's certainly not a lie.
Off the top of my head, I would recommend Andrew Bostom's books. The Legacy of Islamic Anti-Semitism and the Legacy of Jihad. Both are well documented, but complex books that are not an easy read. In addition, anything by Bat Yoer, especially her outstanding book Eurabia that explains how oil has shapes the relationship with the Middle East and the EU. Her books on Dhimmitude are also extremely informative. For the classic history on how the events of WWI and its aftermath shaped the present Middle East, I would recommend A Peace to End all Peace by David Fromkin. History is where we will find the answers to our problems in the Middle East. The problem with our leaders is that they are either not listening to their historian advisers or they choose to ignore them. When you are done with these, let me know and I will suggest more. Also the websites Jihadwatch.org and Dhimmiwatch.org are interesting sources for news on jihad and Muslim-Infidel relations.
I would second A PEACE TO END ALL PEACE. It's fascinating and comprehensive stuff. Although it's somewhat ironic given that it delves into the arbitrary English shaping of boundaries, especially in Iraq. And now here we are today, trying to slap our vision of democracy on a spoon and then going, "Here comes the airplane, open up, here it comes, come on, eat it all up."
I confess I haven't read Bostom's work, but I've read OF it. He's the dude who sort of tries to paint that "Islamic Extremists aren't that extreme" picture, right? That jihad is a cental tennant, that these guys won't rest until they have achieved global domination like in Risk.
I should probably read one of his books at some point, I suppose, but it's going to be hard to convince me that declaring outright military war against the whole of Islam makes any sense at all. But I admit, I can sometimes be That Guy who thinks that education and social reform and the relentless spread of reason are the best ways to combat any kind of extremism.
But, okay, okay. So if you're convinced that these Islamists are out to destroy America, to bring about "the decline of Western dominance" (if i'm quoting the wrong anonymous person, forgive me) -- then from your point of view, what we're doing in Iraq isn't enough right? If we manage to "maintain order" in Iraq so much that we can withdraw our troops, the now free and democratic Iraqis will still be Islamic, won't they? And that means they'll still want to blow us all up, right? So....
If not from a Republican perspective (in case that's too general), then from your own - What's the End Game as far as the War On Terror goes? What does "victory" look like?
I my opinion, and most people would disagree with me, we cannot "win" in Iraq or Afghanistan (or Pakistan where we will be fighting soon). These cultures will never accept democracy and it is only their hated elite who receive our foreign aid that would have them do so. Our strategy should be to withdraw from Muslim lands (except where our oil interests prevent this, i.e. we have to help maintain the corrupt hateful Saudi Royals who would be overthrown without us, in order to get our fix)and take our foreign aid with us. History has shown that they will turn on themselves and not have much energy left for us. We will have to sit on the sidelines and watch as women are honor murdered and remain uneducated. We will have to allow them to have Sharia law no matter how odious to enlightened beliefs. Sanctions will not work because dictators and imans do not care about the living conditions of the general population.
We must however consider Samuel Huntington's thesis of "bloody borders" and with our allies maintain some type of military presents in adjacent lands. Where ever there are Muslim populations that border infidel populations there will be bloody conflict. This was the reason for the 1948 founding of Pakistan and the Pakistanis are still not happy and want Kashmir. Infidel populations in the Caucasus (Sp.) and Balkans have experienced the same Muslim quest for supremacy. We are seeing it in Kenya (Obama's cousin Odinga) and in Darfur, except that in Darfur all the Christians and Animists are dead and it has turned into a conflict between Arab Muslims and the native Muslim population. This is the same jihad for Muslim expansion that has been fought for the last 1400 years. The main difference now is that some Muslim countries are so rich they can afford to support both a real jihad and a silent jihad where they impose their culture on us by building Mosques and schools that support their radical brand of Wahabbi Islam and wage a litigation jihad as we have seen in many areas of Europe and the US. Expansion is the plan that Mohammed spelled out for them in the Koran. They take it very seriously. Dar al Hab must become Dar al Islam and until then, there will be no peace.
If Phyliss Chesler thinks this is just about war and abortion, she needs to open her eyes. Two very important issues, yes, but far from the only ones at stake.
Everyone feels like the Ivy-Leaguer is some type of God, but he's not. He's a part of the elitist illuminati who trip over power.
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